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I have asked Bill a few questions .....I will be asking more

Your using clean creek water am I correct? so does charging town water still work? if town water works is there a drop in power what's the downfall?

I use spring water.

Have not tried town water, but Peter has used it in his cells can't answerthe last part because I have not tried it and probably won't due to thechlorine and fluoride in the water.

Is water consumed in the cell? ...if so how much over what time period?

Yes to a point, but stabilizes. it seems that the cell finds its own
level. This question will be answered with more testing. have only seem the level it drop a 1/2" so far. Will need to do more testing. Actually the water should not be consumed because the cell is not do electrolysis. Some other type of energy is at play. Some call it Orgone. Really done no at this time for sure.

what's the cubic capacity on you engine?

1975 Ford 360 CID, Totally Cast iron and steel, with the exception of the Pistons, Carb and misc small parts.

Is there still water in the container when it stops working?

Really has not stop functioning

Can the charged water be placed in another container and still run the engine or does it have to stay in the container that it is charged in?

I have pour out the contents of the cell into a glass container and done work on the cell. When work was completed i poured the water back in to the cell and worked like before.

Will it work for a small stationary engine?

Going to look into this, but my feeling is yes with a timing change.

How quick does it start?

At 35 degrees temps in the shop and the truck started with 8-9
revolutions of the cranks Seems alot better than before when the truck was running on gasoline.

Is starting it reliable?...I mean can you start it a day later?

Have had a few occasion where the cell need to be hit with 13 volts from the truck battery due to a drained cell. I am now leaving a 1.5 volt dry cell connected to the cell. the drainage could be a design flaw, so will get this answered in time.

I know this is a silly question but I have to ask there any chance the gasoline may be getting past a faulty shut off valve? have you completely removed the hose and it still worked?

No, I have checked this closely, because I am my biggest skeptic.

Is there any excess smoke coming out the pipe?

No not at this time

what size vacuum gauge have you got and what vacuum level works well?

The gauge is a 2" dia unit. the engine will pull down to 18-19 in Hg

how did you work out the cell charging times?

Good question - All water is different, including where i get my water. It seems to change day by day at the spring. This probably due to the spring run off in the area and thusly affects the recharge area that supplies the spring. The charging process seems to clean the water of the crap that is contained in it.

what type of spacers did you use for the cell (material composition)

1/2" O ring, Buna N, the o ring are in stalled with the cut end is contacting or facing each tube. They are install at 120 degrees apart, otherwise three/tube.

why are you using non magnetic stainless steel?

Peter recommend this material and all Joe's cell construction states this is the material to use.

Did you build the cell going of someone else's measurements or was it trial and error for you trying different size tubes etc?

Kind of both here in the beginning, Got talking with Peter and recommend to remove one of the tubes in the assembly. I originally had three neutrals, so removed the most inter tube and made the next one (2" dia) the negative

Update 31.3.06

more questions answered by Bill

you say you have connected a 1.5 volt battery across the cell, Is that connected to the outside of the container and the centre electrode?


I think I remember you saying something about which terminal had to be disconnect first or last? which was that?

The Negative is all way first on and the last off when disconnecting the cell from power source

where do you connect the positive terminal?

To the top of the vessel or farthest away from the negative Bottom center electrode.

When you measured the voltage in the cell did you measure between each electrode or just the negative terminal and container?

The negative and the vessel (Container)

Update 1.4.06

here are some posts taken from the Egas Group

john smith wrote

Hi Bill
I just have to ask a few obvious questions that everyone will want to know.
1/ Is it just able to idle or is it advanced enough to drive?
2/ How is it for power
3/ Did you have to use the "Stainless with Non Magnetic seams"
4/ How many tubes and what is the tube spacing? (gaps)
5/ Where did you get the water from? Reverse osmosis, rainwater, creek, household tap?
6/ How did you charge or prepare the water?
Many thanks. I am sure this will answer the questions fro many readers.
Congradulations and well done

Kind Regards


Bill wrote

John here yea are

1. I have the dist vacuum advance disconnected, so running on the mechanical aspect in the distributor. Idle currently at 1200 rpm and surging form 800 to 1500 rpm. They call this breathing (new term to me but makes sense know). Timing has to be spot on or will not run.
2. More than with gasoline, Power up the kazooo! Drove the truck a few days ago and dam near put me in the ditch.
3. Tubes are 316L X .060 (8 inches long) (very slight Paramagnetic with Neo Mag) in thickness plate that I rolled into tubes and TIG welded or tacked on the Ends to hold form.
4. 1 Neg, 2 neutral and Vessel Pos Tube, dimensions 2" (Neg) 3" & 4" (Neut’s), 5" (vessel), 0.500" spacing between tubes.
5. Spring water from off the hill
6. Used the assembly (Cell) to charge the volume water with 13.45Volts@ 2amps for 4-5 hours all in all. After the water was charge the standing voltage in the cell was 1.45 volts DC for up to 36 hours.

Aluminumn transfer tube, ½ inch (12.5mm) gap where the PVC Tube and CARB connects.

Bill wrote

Hi Brad

This is a very good question. The BNE group did run an engine with a clear (vinyl ?)type hose for Sol's cell. The length was several feet in length. I was instructed by Peter to install an Aluminium tube (energy transfer tube) from the cell to the engine. He recommended a gap (Spark Gap) of 12.5mm (1/2") between the PVC port and the Aluminium Tube. Have not tested with wider spacing since the cell became operational.
Peter had me utilize a 9 volt battery (Note: I have also used a 12 volt battery) to do the sparking and it was along the weld zone, Neg on the bottom or end of the tube seam and the Pos starting at the other end, I drug along seam toward the neg. This as I understand it, changes the magnetism in the seam weld.
After assembly of the tubes and have them installed in the cell vessel. I filled the cell Ass. with water. I then connected the Neg to the most inner tube. I then took the pos jumper lead (13volts DC) and touched the next tube and the next and so on tell I reach the outer tube, which is the vessel. And attached the Pos lead to it.
The blind plug system is utilizing the cell as a capacitor. The energy (?) passes right thru to the engine. This is the energy as I'm told is what makes the engine operate.


Hello R. Joseph

Bill wrote

I utilized Buna N type O-ring stock. The diameter is 1/2" (12.5mm). There are installed with the cut ends facing or in contact with the tubes. They are setup with a 120-degree angle separation from each other. All the spacers in alignment form one tube to the next. Peter explained to that this type of configuration cut down on cell shorting. The material choice is what i came up with after discussing the topic with Peter. He is in the process of comparing a similar type of material that he has been using in Australia.
The fitting does penetrate thru the bottom of the cell and yes it does work better. The insulator material is UHMW (Goolge it) I machined it from Blank Stock. We are still looking at it as a candidate. The thru bolt was custom machined from 316L stock to press fit into the 2" diameter tube and supports the vertically the tube assembly.
The aluminium tube is T 6061- T6 3/8" pipe. I used an ox-acetylene torch to anneal it or pull the temper so the bending or configuring of the tube to the engine bay would be easier. The Al pipe does not contact the carb vacuum port directly. I utilized a 3" long piece of Vinyl clear tubing with another piece to adapt down to the diameter of the port tube diameter and secured it with a small gear type hose clamp. The other end is pushed on to the Al pipe and fit very snuggly, so no clamp was need. The spacing between the to is 1/2" + or - 1/16". The geometry of the pipe is important. It must be routed so NO HV (Plug Wires) is with in 4" of the Aluminium tube other wise it seems to block the energy transfer.
I have not tested the Non vacuum or blank fitting as yet so can give no personal opinion on this. Although Joe X did suggest to do this. The cell then becomes a capacitor to store the energy, which will transfer thru the blank fitting and direct to the engine. The reason the aluminium tube does not directly connect to the engine is because the cell outer housing is positively charged and if direct contact should occur it would short the cell and drain the electrical charge or kill the cell.

Best Regards


Bill is also providing a water analysis and PH reading.

So stay tuned!


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Murray on Wed May 03, 2006 12:16 pm; edited 9 times in total

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